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Sam Harris

Postby 24HourNut » Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:05 pm

I dig this guy. Here he is being interviewed by Maher, getting into some cool stuff regarding reason, religion, and what the harder issues are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4erANdR9Yw

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Re: Sam Harris

Postby Brian » Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:29 pm

"I guess the winter makes you laugh a little slower
Makes you talk a little lower
About the things you could not show her."

-- Counting Crows, "A Long December"
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Re: Sam Harris

Postby 24HourNut » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:00 am

I didn't see how his point depended upon people being consistent. Also, I think not only can the creation of the Universe and death be scrutinized by science, they have been and are continuing to be scrutinized. I also don't think something unable to be scrutinized by science rendered any of his points invalid or less true.
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Re: Sam Harris

Postby Brian » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:17 am

"I guess the winter makes you laugh a little slower
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About the things you could not show her."

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Re: Sam Harris

Postby 24HourNut » Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:25 pm

You definitely want scientists who don't subscribe to the bad and unsupportable ideas of religion guiding them and influencing what they seek out and help society with. Harris' point is well taken regarding the negative influence of that kind of dogma. Brilliant people were prevented from exploring how the Universe works in the past due to religion, its agents, its ideas and fantasies ...

I don't think he is saying it should disqualify you, I think he is saying the sooner we purge ourselves of this Iron Age bullshit and stop giving a free pass to religion by not calling it out for what it is, we prevent better progress and enable the kind of negative stuff that is fueled and initiated by religious dogma, superstition, etc.
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Re: Sam Harris

Postby Brian » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:12 pm

"I guess the winter makes you laugh a little slower
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Re: Sam Harris

Postby 24HourNut » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:30 am

Our beliefs influence how and what we decide to research. It influences us on many levels - it's our world view. Go back in time and it is even more extreme due to the punishment you stood to face if even caught researching something against the local religion's view. We don't want our scientists to believe in the stork theory of life, the tooth fairy, or Santa Clause ... never mind that the End of Times is coming any minute due to Biblical prophecy, or that people go to Heaven or Hell when dead, or that a magical God intervenes to save people from hospital beds with miracles. We want sane, rational, mature, objective minds free from superstition and magical fairy tales.
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Re: Sam Harris

Postby Brian » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:02 am

"I guess the winter makes you laugh a little slower
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Re: Sam Harris

Postby 24HourNut » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:46 pm

I am sure there are many people who believe in organized religion that do good work, but that doesn't mean it isn't a negative or an obstacle enough times to warrant wishing it gone.

People don't have to be consistent with their beliefs in order to properly identify religious delusion as a negative.
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Re: Sam Harris

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