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Actions versus thoughts and "righteousness"

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Actions versus thoughts and "righteousness"

Postby sirlamre » Mon May 24, 2010 9:19 pm

On another thread, Mill said:

"Millennium wrote:
You have a point...So, thinking your gay and not acting on it still makes you gay? Or does one have to actually perform the act... I can think I'm a smoker, but until I light one up, I am not..."



That made me think of something we've not really debated here ---

the concept of whether God gets mad at you when you DO something wrong, or even when you THINK it.

Granted -- Mills' example of smoking above isn't something that God probably cares about.

So let's frame it in the concept that Mill was responding to --- Gay or lesbian -

Can we also assume for the purposes of this thread that God DOES consider being homosexual a sin?
I know we don't all agree on that --- but it's a whole separate topic.


So ---- if a "reformed" homosexual is NOT actively doing physical sexual acts with someone of their own gender--
but they are THINKING about it --
Are they still instantly committing a SIN in God's eyes?

Or is God only all about the action in this case?

If a gay person is SUCCEEDING at NOT actually doing the deed with someone --- but they find themselves looking at someone of their own gender,
and they think "I want that person"

Did they just commit a SIN and totally reverse their entire "forgiveness"



How do those concepts apply to things like WANTING to kill your neighbor, sleep with his wife, steal his car ??
but you don't DO it ?


What's the difference between these questions if a person is a regular Christian church attender, praying every day and reading the Bible?

Or someone who just tries to be a nicer person, but hasn't done that whole break down in tears at the front of the church and "accept Jesus" in front of everyone?

What's the diff for those two kinds of people when they DO something versus just THINKING about it?
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Re: Actions versus thoughts and "righteousness"

Postby Millennium » Mon May 24, 2010 10:07 pm

I can't get God to answer these questions....But, for myself, unless the act is committed and there is a consequence, there is no crime. I know that's not a hard and fast rule, in every instance, (You can be arrested for plotting to blow up a building for example).
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Re: Actions versus thoughts and "righteousness"

Postby Brian » Mon May 24, 2010 11:46 pm

I'm not a Christian, but I went to Catholic school. I seem to recall a verse saying something about lust being a sin you commit in your heart, even if you don't act on it. (Obviously, that's not a quote, but I think that's the idea.)

If that's the case, it would suggest to me that one can sin without committing an act. While we're at it, isn't hate itself a sin, in Christian terms?
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Re: Actions versus thoughts and "righteousness"

Postby 24HourNut » Tue May 25, 2010 9:28 am

Homosexuality is an orientation, not an act. Simple. If you don't engage in any homosexual acts then you haven't engaged in homosexual acts. You are still involuntarily attracted to the same sex (homosexual). You don't have to be engaging in homosexual acts to fit the definition of homosexual. Just like I don't have to ever have sex with a woman to be heterosexual - that's just my sexual orientation. Orientation is not an act.
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Re: Actions versus thoughts and "righteousness"

Postby Brian » Tue May 25, 2010 9:45 am

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Makes you talk a little lower
About the things you could not show her."

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Re: Actions versus thoughts and "righteousness"

Postby 24HourNut » Tue May 25, 2010 9:51 am

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Re: Actions versus thoughts and "righteousness"

Postby Millennium » Tue May 25, 2010 10:32 am

Just to throw a wrench into the argument....if there is a God, then there has to be a Devil....Maybe God isn't responsible for the "GAY".....

Like I said....who says God is the one that created the deviant behavior?





Just a question...don't be jumping all over me because of the question.
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Re: Actions versus thoughts and "righteousness"

Postby Cynicalninja » Tue May 25, 2010 11:17 am

Ooooooookay.

So now you hinting that homosexuality (or as you put it "deviant" behaviour) could be the work of the devil?

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Re: Actions versus thoughts and "righteousness"

Postby Millennium » Tue May 25, 2010 11:36 am

I'm not hinting anything...didn't you read what I said? It's just a question to bring into the argument..if there is a God, then there has to be a devil... And Homosexuality is deviant behavior, if you go by the Merriam Websters accepted definition of deviant.

From Websters:


Main Entry: de·vi·ant
Function: adjective
Date: 15th century

~deviating especially from an accepted norm <deviant behavior>



Now I ask you, what is the accepted norm when it comes to sex?
Don't try to pin the definition on me and it fits the definition.
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Re: Actions versus thoughts and "righteousness"

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