Brian wrote:24HourNut wrote:Brian wrote:The point is, the minute you have evidence for it (eimpirically), it can't be God. That's why what you've said doesn't leave room for God.
The minute you have evidence for it you have evidence for it. Yes, you can have evidence for it. Just because I don't deem the kind of claims I've seen as evidence doesn't mean valid real convincing evidence can not be produced.
Alright, I'll bite. What
possible empirical evidence would both a) be evidence for God, and b) still be supernatural? Measuring a phenomenon presupposes you know what the mechanism is. If you can measure it, that makes it a natural phenomenon, not a
supernatural phenomenon.
The very
best you'd ever be able to do is to observe a phenomenon for which you don't have a definite explanation, but could substitute any number of natural explanations for.
An omnipotent god could
force everyone to accept a supernatural explanation to a phenomenon, I suppose. That's certainly not a kind of god I'm hoping to see, though.
Brian, if God suddenly appeared to each of us and answered us, answered our prayers, had conversations, did and showed us supernatural activities we would all be convinced instead of saying there is no evidence for God or supernatural activity. Furthermore, I don't even have to come up with something - God could just will it. God could make it so that we all could have private conversations. We would at least be faced with the idea that either everyone is on drugs or mental, or having prayers really answered. God could just make us have a conversational, supernatural relationship, awareness, and set of abilities that we can comfortably deem supernatural or divine in nature. God could make time stop, everyone stop, everything stop, and talk with you and have you see your life in a way that is truly beyond the natural world ... right now we have archaic slavery condoning man-made man-edited and time-altered books that have to be translated. Give me a break.
Like I said, if desired, we could be with God in a way that would not have us just being what all the evidence shows us to be - a sophisticated primate in one of the galaxies that will come and go like the others, on a jungle of a suffering planet that supports life on some of its surface some of the time with most species extinct with no supernatural or clear evidence of God at all. That doesn't sound like something we should assume is a divine plan to me.
Apparently, God wanted to really make it look like we evolved and wanted us to be confused and conflicted in general. Right.