The Arizona Immigration Law

Re: The Arizona Immigration Law

Postby Millennium » Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:16 am

24HourNut wrote:
Millennium wrote:It had nothing to do with the political leanings, it had to do with a stupid headline.


:rofl2: You mean you haven't been able to find one stupid headline over the years on your beloved Fox News network? I haven't seen you post one, ever. Just a coincidence, right? Right. :sneaky:



Yes I look...and most I have seen posted here....Please feel free to post some. The reason this one got posted was because it was current for the time and it was stupid.....But try to make it something else. If it makes you feel better.
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Re: The Arizona Immigration Law

Postby 24HourNut » Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:44 pm

Millennium wrote:
24HourNut wrote:
Millennium wrote:It had nothing to do with the political leanings, it had to do with a stupid headline.


:rofl2: You mean you haven't been able to find one stupid headline over the years on your beloved Fox News network? I haven't seen you post one, ever. Just a coincidence, right? Right. :sneaky:



Yes I look...and most I have seen posted here....


If they were, you defended them, I am sure. First you point out MSNBC's ratings and claim no political agenda, then you post a headline by them claiming no political agenda. I can only imagine who out there is falling for this, just like I can imagine who out there blames Washington for not acting on immigration reform as if Republicans haven't been working hard to prevent it from happening the whole time, including their current shameful filibustering disgrace of everything from immigration to finance reform. The side of the fence you are defending looks worse and worse every month.
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Re: The Arizona Immigration Law

Postby Cynicalninja » Thu Apr 29, 2010 2:14 pm

Don't be so cynical Frank, Mill posting about "stupid" MSNBC news titles in the political forum has nothing at all to do with the political affiliation of himself or MSNBC, we know this because this is what Mill tells us.

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Re: The Arizona Immigration Law

Postby Millennium » Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:30 pm

Cynicalninja wrote:Don't be so cynical Frank, Mill posting about "stupid" MSNBC news titles in the political forum has nothing at all to do with the political affiliation of himself or MSNBC, we know this because this is what Mill tells us.

:rofl2: :bs:


I have never defended a stupid headline by Fox. However, if the headline on MSNBC wasn't stupid enough...the defense of the news group that posted it is starting to appear even more stupid. Congratulations. You two are doing a swell job.
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Re: The Arizona Immigration Law

Postby Librtyhead » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:41 pm

Mexican Immigration laws and how THEY handle immigration........

By J. Michael Waller


Birthplace of the
Mexican constitution,
Queretaro, Mexico

Mexico has a radical idea for a rational immigration policy that most Americans would love. However, Mexican officials haven’t been sharing that idea with us as they press for our Congress to adopt the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform bill.

That's too bad, because Mexico, which annually deports more illegal aliens than the United States does, has much to teach us about how it handles the immigration issue. Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

At a time when the Supreme Court and many politicians seek to bring American law in line with foreign legal norms, it’s noteworthy that nobody has argued that the U.S. look at how Mexico deals with immigration and what it might teach us about how best to solve
our illegal immigration problem. Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:


in the country legally;
have the means to sustain themselves economically;
not destined to be burdens on society;
of economic and social benefit to society;
of good character and have no criminal records; and
contributors to the general well-being of the nation.
The law also ensures that:

immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;
foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.
Who could disagree with such a law? It makes perfect sense. The Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens -- and the denial of many fundamental rights to non-citizens, illegal and illegal. Under the constitution, the Ley General de Población, or
General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country's immigration policy.

It is an interesting law -- and one that should cause us all to ask, Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent? If a felony is a
crime punishable by more than one year in prison, then Mexican law makes it a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

If the United States adopted such statutes, Mexico no doubt would denounce it as a manifestation of American racism and bigotry.

We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. [1] Now let's look at Mexico's main immigration law.

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:

Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)
Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)
Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)
The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)
Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)

A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)
Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)
Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)
Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)
Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)
All of the above runs contrary to what Mexican leaders are demanding of the United States. The stark contrast between Mexico's immigration practices versus its American
immigration preachings is telling. It gives a clear picture of the Mexican government's agenda: to have a one-way immigration relationship with the United States.

Let's call Mexico's bluff on its unwarranted interference in U.S. immigration policy. Let's propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico's own law as a model.
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Re: The Arizona Immigration Law

Postby 24HourNut » Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:26 pm

Cute! But I wouldn't want to be like Mexico, so ...
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Re: The Arizona Immigration Law

Postby Millennium » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:20 pm

24HourNut wrote:Cute! But I wouldn't want to be like Mexico, so ...



You totally missed the point...again.
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Re: The Arizona Immigration Law

Postby Librtyhead » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:24 pm

24HourNut wrote:Cute! But I wouldn't want to be like Mexico, so ...



I know!...... Ship them to Canada! :angelb: On the NAFTA super dupper highway!
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Re: The Arizona Immigration Law

Postby Librtyhead » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:48 pm

I'm good with that! :dontknow: Equal justice and all.
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Re: The Arizona Immigration Law

Postby Millennium » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:50 pm

lady cop wrote:a change in law made last night, in an effort to alleviate profiling fears.

According to the bill the governor signed April 23, police would be able to detain an individual based merely on the suspicion that he or she entered the country illegally. A change that legislators approved Thursday night, however, says police could check on residency status only while enforcing some other law or ordinance. An officer could ask about an immigrant's status, for example, while investigating that person for speeding, loitering or some other offense.

In addition, the law says Arizona's attorney general or a county attorney cannot investigate complaints based "solely" on factors such as a person's race, color or national origin.



I may be wrong, but I thought that was in the original bill...They could not ask unless they were already involved with an "enforcement" action.
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