Well..now it's easy to see why The Obama admin was slow

Re: Well..now it's easy to see why The Obama admin was slow

Postby Millennium » Wed May 05, 2010 10:46 pm

Luke Warmwater wrote:ooo, ooo, rhodes scholar sighting..... :rofl2:



:sleepy: That's it? Well, at least you have no defense. Better to say nothing in your case.
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Re: Well..now it's easy to see why The Obama admin was slow

Postby Boba » Wed May 05, 2010 11:18 pm

Luke Warmwater wrote:ooo, ooo, rhodes scholar sighting..... :rofl2:


Good one Luke. Once again, your propensity for making just the right intelligent post comes shining through. :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:
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Re: Well..now it's easy to see why The Obama admin was slow

Postby Millennium » Wed May 05, 2010 11:21 pm

Boba wrote:
Luke Warmwater wrote:ooo, ooo, rhodes scholar sighting..... :rofl2:


Good one Luke. Once again, your propensity for making just the right intelligent post comes shining through. :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:

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Re: Well..now it's easy to see why The Obama admin was slow

Postby Librtyhead » Thu May 06, 2010 12:18 am

Obama did take his time on the oil spill, I can only think that he was relying on his advisors before he made a decision on the immense problem this has become. But I also can imagine and submit that the blame could be placed squarely on BP and the companies that supplied the derrick. I think BP may have been 65% responsible. They should have known that the pressure released at the top of the oil field was actually unspecified and that even they did not know that that amount of pressure was maybe un-anticipated when tapping into the deposit. This is evident in the natural gas explosion that was not anticipated. With the American public needing a large deposit being tapped to satisfy the need, and the Dems wanting to satisfy the want of a large field discovered and cleanly proccessed. This would have been a great money maker had it happened without a glitch. ............The problem and the meat of the matter is that a glitch did happen and the gamble did not pay off. Now everyone is scrambling to blame someone else, but we all know that whatever money that was to be made, is now being used for damage control and coverup. The real life, with hard to reach petro, and how far and selfish we are reaching to satisfy the itch..... regardless of the result of our failures.

Who is really to blame? Our own selfish desires.
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Re: Well..now it's easy to see why The Obama admin was slow

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Re: Well..now it's easy to see why The Obama admin was slow

Postby sirlamre » Sun May 09, 2010 10:59 am

Mill, what YOU are ignoring is the fact that the Bush Administration KNEW that Katrina was coming more than TWO WEEKS (if not more)
before that.
The US Army Corps of Engineers also had warnings for more than 15 years before about the condition of the flood prevention systems in NO and LA long beforehand.

A big part of the reason that Obama didn't react as fast to Deep Horizon is that for the first four or five days, everyone was believing what BP said about
"It's not going to be a problem, we've got it under control"

Heck, even the Coast Guard was bamfoozled for a bit -- they had trouble getting the media to believe it when a CG Admiral came out and said
"it's leaking 200,000 gallons a day"
The BP media people were QUICK to do everything they could (from calling the media outlets, to Congressional members) to
try to MAKE the media take that story down.

CNN was actually forced into taking down the story--- now, a CNN staffer has reported how he was called by a BP media relations person and was BEGGED to take down the "unsubstantiated" story from the CG about 200,000 gallons.
CNN editors initially DID take it down -- I saw the update about 200,000 gallons for about half the morning it broke, then CNN went to a "404" for a while on the link, and then edited the pages to make it disappear.

Two days later, they started posting about the 200,000 gallons thing --- 48 hours AFTER the CG had reported it, and BP had tried very hard (Soviet style media control) to quash the bad news.


BP has also tried the same thing with the lately placed "cap" ==== had news stories out on their site and from their media reps saying
"It's working just fine"
Wasn't until a major newspaper posted direct quotes from an engineer stating the problems with slush methane that they backed down.

CNN was again, late, getting that news out as compared.



In short -- this ENTIRE event has been FAR more hushed up by BP than anyone managed to do with Katrina.


Bush had WEEKS of notice on Katrina, as forecasts showed it heading to the Gulf Coast (not necessarily NO directly, but certainly close enough to warrant some action)

Yet Bush took NO action until 2 days AFTERWARDS?

Obama got far more blindsided by this -- Bush did NOT get blindsided at all.

That being said ---- I will agree that the Fed response has not been enough..

Not defending Obama -- -- just not letting YOU compare the two events as though they were identical -- when they're NOT.



Millennium wrote:You two are ignoring the facts and letting what you "think" happened rule your words..

From Wikipedia:
President Bush signed a $10.5 billion relief package within four days of the hurricane,[5] Within 1–2 days of the hurricane, The State of Louisiana National Guard troops arrived with relief packages, and participated in security and rescue operations

On the Oil rig:

Not until[b] nine days after the explosion
did the Obama administration acknowledge the possibility of “a spill of national significance. [b]That lag delayed an official request for help from the Defense Department.
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Re: Well..now it's easy to see why The Obama admin was slow

Postby Millennium » Sun May 09, 2010 11:41 am

sirlamre wrote:Mill, what YOU are ignoring is the fact that the Bush Administration KNEW that Katrina was coming more than TWO WEEKS (if not more)
before that.
The US Army Corps of Engineers also had warnings for more than 15 years before about the condition of the flood prevention systems in NO and LA long beforehand.

A big part of the reason that Obama didn't react as fast to Deep Horizon is that for the first four or five days, everyone was believing what BP said about
"It's not going to be a problem, we've got it under control"

Heck, even the Coast Guard was bamfoozled for a bit -- they had trouble getting the media to believe it when a CG Admiral came out and said
"it's leaking 200,000 gallons a day"
The BP media people were QUICK to do everything they could (from calling the media outlets, to Congressional members) to
try to MAKE the media take that story down.

CNN was actually forced into taking down the story--- now, a CNN staffer has reported how he was called by a BP media relations person and was BEGGED to take down the "unsubstantiated" story from the CG about 200,000 gallons.
CNN editors initially DID take it down -- I saw the update about 200,000 gallons for about half the morning it broke, then CNN went to a "404" for a while on the link, and then edited the pages to make it disappear.

Two days later, they started posting about the 200,000 gallons thing --- 48 hours AFTER the CG had reported it, and BP had tried very hard (Soviet style media control) to quash the bad news.


BP has also tried the same thing with the lately placed "cap" ==== had news stories out on their site and from their media reps saying
"It's working just fine"
Wasn't until a major newspaper posted direct quotes from an engineer stating the problems with slush methane that they backed down.

CNN was again, late, getting that news out as compared.



In short -- this ENTIRE event has been FAR more hushed up by BP than anyone managed to do with Katrina.


Bush had WEEKS of notice on Katrina, as forecasts showed it heading to the Gulf Coast (not necessarily NO directly, but certainly close enough to warrant some action)

Yet Bush took NO action until 2 days AFTERWARDS?

Obama got far more blindsided by this -- Bush did NOT get blindsided at all.

That being said ---- I will agree that the Fed response has not been enough..

Not defending Obama -- -- just not letting YOU compare the two events as though they were identical -- when they're NOT.




With Katrina, yes they knew it was coming, and warned the citizens to evacuate...did you forget that part? When the EXPLOSION occurred on the oil rig, it's the responsibility of the EP and any other govt group responsible for ecological disasters to investigate, what a poor excuse that was? BP said it was OK, so that was good enough? Hell, I can't even burn trash in my yard without some official showing up...Maybe the Govt didn't get involved because Obama was the biggest recipient of BP donations in the last election...

I have looked for the CNN story about the retraction can't find it, where did you here that info?

Keep trying...So you expect us to believe that BP told CNN to take down a story and they complied?..Come on.


One other thing, 9 days after the fact, isn't "blind sided".....His Admin was slack in the investigation, slack in response and now, is hoping people like you will make it all better for them. Katrina was bad, and was amplified by Levees that were supposed to have been fixed, but the monies were used elsewhere by Democrats in office...So you get back irresponsible Democrats in office...again.

One other thing...who said they were identical? All I was doing was pointing out the Obama indifference to an ecological disaster....One that right now, has the makings of being a lot worse than Katrina, and affecting that area for decades.
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Re: Well..now it's easy to see why The Obama admin was slow

Postby Millennium » Sun May 09, 2010 11:57 am

sirlamre wrote:Mill, what YOU are ignoring is the fact that the Bush Administration KNEW that Katrina was coming more than TWO WEEKS (if not more)
before that.




Uh...sorry, as usual your "facts" are off:


From Wikipedia:


Formed August 23, 2005
Dissipated August 30, 2005


Hardly more than 2 weeks eh, Sirlamre?

Hurricane Katrina formed over the Bahamas on August 23, 2005 and crossed southern Florida as a moderate Category 1 hurricane, causing some deaths and flooding there before strengthening rapidly in the Gulf of Mexico. The storm weakened before making its second landfall as a Category 3 storm on the morning of Monday, August 29 in southeast Louisiana. It caused severe destruction along the Gulf coast from central Florida to Texas, much of it due to the storm surge. The most severe loss of life occurred in New Orleans, Louisiana, which flooded as the levee system catastrophically failed, in many cases hours after the storm had moved inland.[3] Eventually 80% of the city and large tracts of neighboring parishes became flooded, and the floodwaters lingered for weeks.[3] However, the worst property damage occurred in coastal areas, such as all Mississippi beachfront towns, which were flooded over 90% in hours, as boats and casino barges rammed buildings, pushing cars and houses inland, with waters reaching 6–12 miles (10–19 km) from the beach.


Like I said, the biggest responsibility for the problems in LA were the Democrats that misappropriated the monies designated for levee construction. But that would be politically incorrect to point that out.


Katrina entered the Gulf as a Cat 1 hurricane, and increased to A Cat 3 hurricane, still nothing in this area..and therefor there was little cause for gearing up the entire Military and every other govt agency. All they should have done was issue an evacuation, which they did. But the people there didn't leave...why? Because like I said a Cat 3 Hurricane is not a big deal, and they figured they could weather the storm and the surge that accompanied it. They never took into account the Democrats that ran that area were screwing them over and stealing the money for other pet projects.


I know the Democrats need to make Katrina the biggest error in the world, but look at the real facts, not some crap made up by you and the others out there that swallowed the Democrats lies hook line and sinker.
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