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Should the Vatican be immune from lawsuits arising from

PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 4:48 pm
by Millennium
cases of sexual abuse by priests in the United States?



What do you think?

Re: Should the Vatican be immune from lawsuits arising from

PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 9:56 pm
by 24HourNut
I think if people didn't give religion a free pass that institution would have been shredded long ago. Any other institution violating kids and covering it up at all levels like those fanatical freaks did would have suffered far greater by now.

Re: Should the Vatican be immune from lawsuits arising from

PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 10:22 pm
by Librtyhead
If we did not have religion to "keep the peace" for the last thousand years or so we would be in a worse position than we are in now as far as morality goes. Is the Vatican responsible for every member under their roof? Yes to a certain extent. Is the Pope personaly responsible for every priest and every action they deemed acceptable, no. Does the good that came from having religion and a strong support system outweigh the bad of the few that abused the system....that will be a question that may haunt us for many years. If the religious doctrine of moral integrity becomes extinct.......what will take its place as a guiding light for moral and selfless giving for our fellow man? In this day and age can Homer Simpson or Kenny from South Park save us? Who or what will be the next Jesus? And do we really need someone to tell us what is right? I can only see dark times for what is right and what is wrong. a fine line for sure in the upcomming future. The problem and the answer for the Pope is policing their own flock today and tossing out the notion that marriage is bad and comming to grips with real life and not clinging to an archaic lifesyle with tenacious claws from hell.

Re: Should the Vatican be immune from lawsuits arising from

PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 10:25 pm
by Millennium

Re: Should the Vatican be immune from lawsuits arising from

PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 10:45 pm
by Librtyhead
There was a time in the not so far away past that religion was a good thing and people cared more for their fellow man than they did for themselves. The recent spat of child and queer activity in the Catholic monestary can only show that a change is needed in the requirement of a celibate and non-human placement of authority figures in key areas. the Pope really needs to accept all human fidelities and realize that we cannot all be Gods but only instruments of goodwill for each other. The dynasty will fall if he does not realise this and make changes soon. I bet he knows this but does not know how to enact it. He needs to stare at a candle for 24 hrs straight and see the light.

Re: Should the Vatican be immune from lawsuits arising from

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 8:11 am
by Cynicalninja
Librtyhead wrote:If we did not have religion to "keep the peace" for the last thousand years or so we would be in a worse position than we are in now as far as morality goes. Is the Vatican responsible for every member under their roof? Yes to a certain extent. Is the Pope personaly responsible for every priest and every action they deemed acceptable, no. Does the good that came from having religion and a strong support system outweigh the bad of the few that abused the system....that will be a question that may haunt us for many years. If the religious doctrine of moral integrity becomes extinct.......what will take its place as a guiding light for moral and selfless giving for our fellow man? In this day and age can Homer Simpson or Kenny from South Park save us? Who or what will be the next Jesus? And do we really need someone to tell us what is right? I can only see dark times for what is right and what is wrong. a fine line for sure in the upcomming future. The problem and the answer for the Pope is policing their own flock today and tossing out the notion that marriage is bad and comming to grips with real life and not clinging to an archaic lifesyle with tenacious claws from hell.


If religion never existed we wouldn't have had centuries of the retarded dark ages, as a result we would be centuries ahead in our scientific progress and we could be exploring other galaxies together in peace in the year 2010.

Also do you really believe religion has "kept the peace"? all the wars, massacres and strife the world has seen over the centuries would suggest not. I mean how many wars were caused purely by religion?

Re: Should the Vatican be immune from lawsuits arising from

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 8:47 am
by 24HourNut
The principles of freedom and respect would have gotten us much farther and with much less trouble had organized religion not been a suppression glue of ignorance. At the time, lacking crucial information and understanding, it was the best we could come up with when trying to explain and deal with with things from diseases and earthquakes to the stars and pregnancy.

Re: Should the Vatican be immune from lawsuits arising from

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 9:33 am
by Brian
Millennium wrote:cases of sexual abuse by priests in the United States?



What do you think?


The priests who did the abusing shouldn't be immune from lawsuits. I can't imagine that the Vatican itself could be sued from the United States, simply because of jurisdictional problems.

Re: Should the Vatican be immune from lawsuits arising from

PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:25 am
by sledge
If you are a religious leader whether a priest or an high Official in the Catholic Church you should be prosecuted as any other child molester. Because under God's Laws no one is Blameless. But the Vatican are under their own auhority and cannot be touched. Its :bs:

Re: Should the Vatican be immune from lawsuits arising from

PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:06 am
by Millennium
sledge wrote:If you are a religious leader whether a priest or an high Official in the Catholic Church you should be prosecuted as any other child molester. Because under God's Laws no one is Blameless. But the Vatican are under their own auhority and cannot be touched. Its :bs:


I agree..it's too bad we have a president that doesn't. When you have the leader of the free world with that attitude, is there any wonder why this continues?